Pequeña duda sobre que versión de película ver

Iniciado por Lektro, 01 de Marzo de 2011, 08:01:40 PM

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Lektro

Buenas a todos!!
Me he decidido a ver el clasicazo de Apocalypse Now, y me gustaría saber si sería mejor ver la versión normal y corriente o la versión extendida con más de 40 minutos añadidos a la película. Lo digo porque alomejor la versión extendida se hace pesada y le resta calidad a la versión original. Que me recomendais??  :guiñar
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Sullivan

Yo solo he visto la version Redux osease la extendida y la verdad esque no se me hizo pesada.
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Michael Myers

Vi la versión Redux y no influye en exceso en el metraje. Algunas escenas de más, pero nada que haga cargar de minutos más de los necesarios. Puedes ver esta versión.
Quizá en esos últimos días, el amó la vida con más intensidad que nunca, no sólo su vida, la de cualquiera, mi vida.
Y lo único que quería eran las mismas respuestas que el resto de nosotros: ¿De dónde vengo? ¿Adónde voy? ¿Cuánto tiempo me queda?
(Blade Runner)
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Jason

¿Y porqué no las dos y luego comparas cuál te gusta más? En ese caso empieza por la versión corta.
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Lektro

Hombre, ver las dos... Yo creo que veré la especial, si decís que no se sobrecarga demasiado el tema, creo que la soportaré. Muchas gracias a todos, ya os contaré que me pareció :guiñar
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princesadelguisante

Yo te iba a recomendar la normal, si es la primera vez (pero si te gusta, ve la Redux en un futuro). Pero vamos, tampoco es que sea inmensa la diferencia.
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Ludovicum

Cita de: Jason en 01 de Marzo de 2011, 09:15:36 PM
¿Y porqué no las dos y luego comparas cuál te gusta más? En ese caso empieza por la versión corta.

Gore total.


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Legendary

Yo solo vi la versión Redux y hay una escena que me sobró totalmente, pero es mejor que te lo diga alguien que ha visto las dos. De todas formas mi consejo es que veas la normal.
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~ΣDU~

No veas la extendida, incluso la versión "corta" (montones de comillas) es infumable.

(Abro paraguas)


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Wanchope

Precisamente hace bien poquito me ví la versión Redux. Sí, efectivamente se hace larga. No tengo muy claras aunque las sospeche las diferencias respecto al original pues la ví hace ya muchos años, pero dada la naturaleza del film hay unas cuantas secuencias/escenas que perfectamente podrían ser suprimidas sin que el resultado cambiase sustancialmente. Y es que la versión Redux, por momentos, parecía una miniserie. No obstante, y a pesar de lo que diga Edu, sin parecerme la obra maestra que les parece a muchos es indudable el interés de su visionado. Pero lo dicho, mi consejo es que puestos a elegir mejor quedarse con la corta, al menos de momento.  :guiñar
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princesadelguisante

En la wikipedia ponen las diferencias en inglés, por si alguien está interesado (seguro que por ahí están también en español):

CitarThe movie contains several newly added sequences and alterations to the original film:

The longest addition to the film is a sequence that takes place after Clean's death. The crew find themselves in a French plantation in Cambodia. Willard tells the head of the plantation (Christian Marquand) that they lost one of their men. He tells Willard that they will bury him (to pay respects to the fallen of their allies). What later follows is a funeral for Clean. Following the recital of a poem by one of the French children (played by Roman Coppola and watched by older brother Gian-Carlo), the crew then has dinner with the new arrivals. Willard, sitting with the family, asks when they are going back to France. The family soon go into a long and lengthy argument over the First Indochina War and the Vietnam War. There is a dispute over "traitors at home" (e.g. the famous Henri Martin Affair) and most of the family leaves in anger. After they all leave, one, Roxanne (the only one not in the conversation, played by Aurore Clément), apologizes for her family's behavior. She and Willard later talk, smoke opium, and she later explains the conflicts her deceased husband had faced with himself during the Indochina War. After she undresses and approaches Willard, she tells him, "There are two of you, can't you see? One that kills, and one that loves." We later see the crew back on the river continuing the mission.
In the original film, the PBR Street Gang crew members relax and play around, listening to the Rolling Stones' "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" while Willard first looks at the dossier. The scene plays right before the crew members meet Kilgore. In the Redux version, the scene is moved to later in the film, and Willard is shown reading the dossier without the surrounding activity and music.
In the original version, Willard first meets Kilgore when asking a fellow officer who simply replies "He's over there, you can't miss him". In the Redux, the officer now says "There's the Colonel coming down". We later learn that Kilgore is arriving (via Helicopter) to the scene. When he arrives, he tells an officer riding with him, "Lieutenant, bomb back that tree line 'bout a hundred yards, give us some room to breathe". He later asks another for his "Death Cards" (which he uses in the original version).
During the raid, Kilgore looks over some of the wounded and dead. He then walks away, simply replying "Damn".
After ordering an air strike, a Vietnamese mother, with her wounded child in hand, runs to Kilgore. Kilgore immediately takes the child and tells his men to rush the child to a hospital (mother as well) on his chopper.
After the helicopter carrying the wounded child leaves, Kilgore hands Lance a new pair of shorts to go surfing in (Note: Throughout the original cut, Lance is wearing them, but it is never explained how he got them).
After giving the famous "Napalm" speech, Kilgore soon learns that the napalm has changed the wind current, ruining the perfect waves. Willard immediately uses this as an excuse to leave. He and Lance run back to the boat. Before they leave, Willard steals Kilgore's surf board.
Before Willard and Chef go to search for mangos, there's a scene where the crew is lying around in a river. Chef asks Chief if he can go get some mangoes and Willard goes with him. In the Redux version, there is a new scene before this. In the scene, it is clear that the crew are hiding from Kilgore, who is trying to get back his surf board. A helicopter soon flies by, carrying a recording by Kilgore, asking Lance for the board back. Chief then changes the subject by asking how far they are going up the river. Willard says it's classified. Chief later asks Willard if he likes it like that, "hot and hairy" (to which Willard replies: "Fuck. You don't get a chance to know what the fuck you are in some factory in Ohio."). Chef later asks Chief if he can get some mangoes.
The day after the Playboy Playmates' USO show, we see the crewmembers talking about it. Chef is obsessed he was able to meet "Miss December". Clean then reminds Chef not to go crazy with these Playboys, and proceeds to tell the story of an Army Sergent who was so obsessed with his Playboys, he killed an ARVN Lieutenant who ruined his foldouts.
The 'Satisfaction' scene is now moved after the above scene. Afterwards, Willard reads a letter by Kurtz, criticizing the incompetent young soldiers sent to Vietnam, blaming them for their losing.
One point during their travels, the crew stop at a destroyed Medevac. The area is completely wrecked, with no real Commanding Officer (much like the Do Lung Bridge sequence). Willard tries to find someone in charge, but later learns that the Playboy bunnies' helicopter has landed here. Willard then negotiates two barrels of fuel for an hour with the bunnies (along with the rest of the crew). Chef spends his time with his idol, Miss December (now Miss May). Lance also spends his time with the Playmate of the Year. Clean constantly interrupts, trying to get his turn. During one such interruption, a large cooler is upended, revealing the corpse of a soldier—which visibly upsets the Playmate of the Year.
After the above scene, Chef learns that Clean is still a virgin. Chef then makes fun of him for it, only to be stopped by Chief. The argument is only partially heard in the original cut.
After Chef's death, Willard is kept in a metal shipping container known as a "CONEX". Kurtz later sits outside the doors and reads Willard several Time Magazine articles detailing America's success in the war.
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Lektro

Creo que alomejor cambio de opinión entonces... Si decis que las escenas añadidas a la Redux tampoco importan mucho, y sabiendo que amí las películas excesivamente largas sin que tengas motivos suficientes para serlo no me suelen gustar demasiado, veré la versión normal... Y luego me informaré que cosas traía la Redux.
Muchas gracias a tod@s, creo que la duda está bastante despejada :guiñar
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Michael Myers

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Si, es cierto que las escenas añadidas en la versión Redux no son argumentalmente importantes. Al menos, recuerdo tres escenas añadidas que no son importantes para nada. Son más bien escenas curiosas.
Quizá en esos últimos días, el amó la vida con más intensidad que nunca, no sólo su vida, la de cualquiera, mi vida.
Y lo único que quería eran las mismas respuestas que el resto de nosotros: ¿De dónde vengo? ¿Adónde voy? ¿Cuánto tiempo me queda?
(Blade Runner)
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